Comments on frivolous motion: Email And The Fight For Standards

"As a young web designer who cares about standards...

2007-12-21T20:00:00.000-05:00

"As a young web designer who cares about standards and accessibility".

HA HA HA HA HA HA I tried to use
my browser to change the text
size to make it more readable
and you refused.

Well put, Matt.I'm frequently reminded of this Ste...

2007-11-29T11:42:00.000-05:00

Well put, Matt.

I'm frequently reminded of this Steve Jobs quote:

"Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like. People think it’s this veneer — that the designers are handed this box and told, ‘Make it look good!’ That’s not what we think design is. It’s not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."

So true. And not just for consumer electronic design.

And thanks for the compliment!

Bottom line is tables are not semantic for page la...

2007-11-29T11:24:00.000-05:00

Bottom line is tables are not semantic for page layout purposes. Tables are meant for tabular data. And until email clients respect this (hell, IE still doesn't respect it, and it's a browser!), there is always going to be this divide.

And like you said, it's really hard for web developers fluent in CSS to start using tables instead. It's like giving a famous painter only a pencil to work with.

But like you said, clients don't care HOW you do it. Just do it. That's the problem with web design, which Zeldman touched on briefly recently - web design these days is mostly about appearance, and how it looks. There's no concern for the living, breathable element that relies on consistent change and interaction.

I hate designing with tables too. It's clunky and hard to maintain.

Anyway, good points and I agree. Nice re-design, too.